Good Wednesday morning Fellow Seekers,
Four DFLers seeking their party’s nomination to challenge Republican U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman debated Tuesday evening before an audience of several hundred that filled the Roosevelt High School auditorium in South Minneapolis.
The four — comedian Al Franken, attorney Mike Ciresi, attorney Jim Cohen and Professor Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer — agreed in general on many issues while differing on important details.
Nelson-Pallmeyer (that’s him at right), the newest entrant in the race, consistently drew the loudest applause and the sharpest contrasts with his opponents. Considering that the pattern started as soon as he was introduced, that obviously had something to do with who had the most supporters in the room.
He also took the leftmost position on almost every issue, and did it in a bastion of South Minneapolis liberalism where the audience agreed with Nelson-Pallmeyer:
- that President Bush should be impeached;
- that the current patchwork of public and private health care should be replaced with a Canadian-style single-payer system;
- that global warming is the biggest threat to U.S. national security;
- (and that an Iranian nuclear weapon wouldn’t be such a grave threat);
- that neoconservatives exploited the Sept. 11 attack to get the United States into an Iraq war that they had craved and planned for years; and
- that 10 percent of the Pentagon budget should be transferred from military spending and used to create universal preschool.
Franken, the presumed favorite for the DFL endorsement, had a down night. He began and ended the evening by calling Coleman a “friend and enabler” of Pres. Bush and said it was urgent that Bush’s enablers leave Washington with him in January of 2009.
Several of Franken’s positions did not receive the big audience reactions, and seemed especially hedged in contrast with Nelson Pallmeyer’s. For example, Franken (that’s him at left) argued:
- that the U.S. troops should Iraq but not “precipitously;”
- that it would be “insane” for the U.S. to attack Iran, but that “the prospects of Iran having a nuclear weapon are very frightening;”
- that single-payer is desirable but not politically practical in the near future and that it is important not to let “the perfect [presumably single-payer] be the enemy of the good [presumably a reorganization of the current system so that it covers everyone].”
Ciresi, widely viewed as Franken’s chief rival for the DFL endorsement, didn’t outline many clear issue differences with Franken. He frequently cited his record as a lawyer taking on big corporations to indicate that he was an effective fighter for the people against the powerful, and cited various charitable activities and employment policies of his law firm. The seemed to be a continuation of his recent argument that he, in contrast with Franken, has a record of getting results.
Ciresi did catch fire at least once, late in the debate, when his answer on abortion (he’s pro-choice, but so are the other three) turned into an impromptu denunciation of Republican hypocrisy and efforts to morally micromanage the private lives of Americans. A long quote from that answer is below.
Cohen demonstrated mastery of several policy areas and passion about some (single payer health care, higher pay for teachers) but didn’t forge much of a connection with the audience except maybe early on, when asked if he would abide by the endorsement. He said he would, but “there has to be an endorsement. There has to be an endorsement.” I wasn’t quite sure whether this was a hedge on his pledge to abide or whether he was urging the assembled DFLers, some of whom will be delegates to the state convention, not to allow a deadlocked convention that adjourns without endorsing a candidate.
It got me to thinking about something that I’m sure has occurred to the Franken and Ciresi campaigns. Nelson-Pallmeyer is a longshot to get the endorsement. His strength among peace-and-justice lefties will probably give him many loyal delegates on the early ballots. If Franken and Ciresi are anywhere near even, Nelson-Pallmeyer could easily be in a position to break the deadlock with an endorsement. It is widely believed that Nelson-Pallmeyer did exactly that in his previous race for the open Fifth District congressional seat in 2006, throwing his support to the eventual winner, Keith Ellison.
This is wild speculation at this point. Nelson-Pallmeyer intends to win. But in case that scenario might play out again, tea leaf readers will take note of Nelson-Pallmeyer’s attitude toward Franken and Ciresi. He disagreed with both of them on several issues and said so, civilly but crisply. But if you had to guess from last night (and my sources who have been to some campaign events I missed tell me this was their impression as well) Franken’s answers sometimes seemed to get on Nelson-Pallmeyer’s nerves
For example, when Franken gave his riff about not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good on single-payer health care, Nelson-Pallmeyer rebuked him quite directly within two minutes, saying “you don’t compromise before you fight, before you organize, before you mobilize” for single-payer.
Here are some of the best or most colorful rhetorical moments for each of the candidates (with apologies in advance for shortcoming of the notetaker):
Jim Cohen
“We’ve got to get out of Iraq now.” (His plan calls for all combat troops out by April of 2008.)
“We can find the common good, together.”
“All children have been left behind by No Child Left Behind.”
“NAFTA and CAFTA are wrong and not good for America and they need to be dropped.”
Arguing that same sex couples should have equal rights but not necessarily the right to the “m” word: “This word ‘marriage’ is a divisional word… A rose is a rose is a rose. Love is love is love.”
Al Franken“George W. Bush has driven us into a ditch, along with his enablers life Norm Coleman. But it’s really important that h is friends — and let’s face it, Norm Coleman was his friend, go with him.”
Asked whether we need a new 9/11 Commission: “I would like to have a permanent 9/11 Commission.”
“The ‘coalition of the willing’ has become the coalition of the leaving and the left.”
Arguing that the response to global warming should not be one big thing but many small things: “As Al Gore said ‘there is no silver bullet for global warming, but there is silver buckshot.’”
After declaring that same-sex marriage should be legal and is no threat to heterosexual marriage: “Do you know what state has the lowest divorce rate? Massachusetts. This [gay marriage]is not a threat to marriage. This is marriage.”
Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer
“It troubles me when I hear Democrats say that they’ve taken impeachment off the table. I think it needs to be put right back on the table.”
“Our country is unraveling from within.”
“The reason the United States isn’t leaving Iraq is because this administration never intends to leave Iraq.”
“Last year, of every dollar in federal discretionary spending, Congress gave 57 cents to the military; they gave four cents to education, two cents for the environment, a couple of pennies to transportation and less than half of one cent for retraining workers.”
“i dont’ want Iran to develop a nuclear weapon. But if Iran developed a nuclear weapon, would that be a threat to the United States? Would that be a grave security breach? No… Let’s stop the danger inflation with Iran.”
Mike Ciresi
The “No Child Left Behind” law should be called “No child left with a dime.” The Bush changes to the tax code should be called “no limousine left behind.”
Referring to the run-up in the national debt during the years of Bush Republicanism: “They believe we shouldn’t have a ‘death tax.’ Well I believe we shouldn’t have a birth tax.”
“I fought the most powerful industries in this country and I won.”
Arguing that his status as a first-generation American, son of an Italian father, gives him insights into the current immigration issue: “They talk about undocumented workers today. ‘WOP’ stood for ‘with out passport.’”
“I’ll tell you what I’m tired of. Here we are, talking about gay marriage. About a woman’s right to choose. The Republicans said they were going to get the government out of our lives and what have they done. they’ve told us where we can live, when we can die. How we pray and what children we’re gonna have. On top of that, they tell us how we’re gonna education our children. I’m tired of that… It’s immoral what they’ve done. Let’s talk about real morality.”


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Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer is one of that rare breed of “politician” that actually tells people in a straightforward fashion what he thinks and what he proposes to do. And doesn’t worry if it means someone will strongly disagree with him. So refreshing, it almost makes one feel optimistic about our future.
There are still highly qualified, great people running for office. But they’re just counted out immediately by the corporate MSM and TV network “news”.
Thanks for making clear what actually went on at the debate. I think I know who the “Wellstone seat” should really go to….
Paul Wellstone (the famous green bus spent months traveling around the state building his case for the nomination.
What has Nelson-Pallmeyer done to let us know that he’s there prior to announcing for the nomination?
Franken was for the Iraq war before he was against it. He was also cheering for Israel as it was illegally bombing Lebanon in 2006. He is about as conservative a Democrat as we will see, and is in the mold of a Hillary Clinton–evasive, triangulating, and with just plain bad political judgment. Anyone who supported the Iraq war should not even be considered as Democratic material–we just don’t need more Republican talking points. Franken will not fight for our healthcare, for our privacy rights, or for a common sense foreign policy. I personally found his radio show sexist and superficial.
” …. there is always an easy solution to every problem — neat, plausible and wrong.”
Eric, I attended that debate also. Here’s my analysis.
Let’s suppose we the people were the employer. And, these three candidates are interviewing for the job of U.S. Senator. Ignore funds raised and the name-recognition and look at these qualifying attributes:
1. A solid knowledge of the constituent base and their needs
2. Knowledge of the inner workings of government
3. Knowledge of foreign policy
4. Knowledge of the issues facing our nation
5. Ability to work collaboratively with people of other viewpoints, to inspire them to become “agents of change”
6. Moral fiber, ethics, whatever you want to call it.
In terms of these attributes, I see the candidate ranking as follows:
1. Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer (professor, author of 16 books on foreign/domestic policy)
2. Mike Ciresi (winner of that amazing tobacco settlement)
3. Jim Cohen (community activist)
4. Al Franken (caustic comedian)
So, Eric, whom do you feel should be stepping down in favour of another? I’d like to suggest that Al Franken turn his support to Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer. Jack is a capable and humble man, the man I believe would best represent our state in the way Paul Wellstone once did.
And, don’t forget, Paul Wellstone was once the underdog too!
How about letting the best man win in a primary after a no-endorsement DFL convention? Having been an alternate and a delegate to two conventions and shut out of a third and probably fourth because of the byzantine DFL rules, I’m tired of seeing DFL endorsed candidates get canned by the voting public at the primary. The late primaries have always weakened the primary winner into the fall election. If the Nelson-Pallmeyer candidacy has legs, let him take it to greater Minnesota and sell himself there and not just to a room full of activists at a Minneapolis school gym or a DFL convention hall.
Hey Jon Erik,
That’s a very compelling question! It does seem as though the DFL system is set up with the assumption that nearly everyone participates in the caucus process and is thus represented at the state convention. And, if this is not the case, then the system allows for a group of activists to dominate the DFL party and potentially alter the DFL platform in ways that do not represent the sentiment of the majority of DFL-ers.
I had not thought about the possibility of a no-endorsement DFL convention. Now that I have, I say “yes”, that would so work for me!!
And, I feel compelled to add that in out-state Minnesota, I see Nelson-Pallmeyer is by far the strongest and most-sympathetic candidate, albeit the candidate with the least (or close to least) money in the bank.
Thanks for a great post!!
No endorsement at a DFL convention? Good luck with that. Half of the people there are more interested in the endorsement process than in who actually gets endorsed. Anytime it looks like its headed for a deadlock, these people start chanting “endorse, endorse.” If they were chanting “more brains” instead, you would think that the DFL is controlled by zombies.